Dude, I have been banned!

Is that an honour or what (and they are most probably consoling themselves by saying “she got owned!” (by being banned?)! I was just banned from Ann Coulter’s forum. For what? I don’t know. I just got on there and read the post in reply to the last one I left before going to bed last night, and I typed a lengthy post, only to get the message that I was banned from the forum as soon as I posted it (I wasn’t banned when I started typing it). Apparently someone felt the need to quickly ban me before I actually demolished the entire post and ended the miserable debate once and for all.

I will post the full text of the reply I received (not including the things that I had written, to which he replied, so it might be a bit confusing, but you can check out the entire post here), and my reply to it (which was not posted, because I got – gasp – banned).

This guy didn’t get banned, but I did:

Don’t respond to a question with a question, answer it. Do you agree that the violence that the Muslims are engaging in is wrong? Do you also agree that the lack of condemnation for these acts by Muslims is also wrong?

This time answer the question, then I will answer yours.

So you can’t post any pictures or videos of gleeful Americans dancing in the streets over loss of life in other countries as a result of military action? You also can’t post any videos or audio of Muslim leaders denouncing the actions of the Islamic Fundamentalists.

On this message board you’re required to back up your statements that you’re trying to pass off as fact. If you can’t do that you will be banned, mark my words.

As I said above, post them. If you can’t do it, you’ll be gone. I have to assume they only let you in here as a cat toy. Funs over, and i’m bored.

Yes, you made a statement about Israelis (see Jews) dancing in the streets a few blocks from the WTC after the 9/11 attacks. Please substantiate your claims. If you didn’t know, Jews aren’t exactly fond of Muslims, which I why I question who you really are, which seems to be nothing less than another idiotic Liberal.

Again, if you would like to show me where the United States military is engaging in attacks directed at civilians you will be required to back-up your statements. Not only can you not back them up for a 24 year old conflict, you can’t even back them up with the war in Iraq either, which was your original point (just in case you forgot).

Personally? I don’t support those kinds of attacks against civilians. I am well aware of the issue in Qana, and I have also seen the videos of it. A tragedy, indeed. Many have suggested that Israel should have negotiated more and retaliated less, but I don’t agree with that. I just think the methods they used should have been directly aimed at the Muslim terrorists groups rather than just Muslims themselves. The latter is the key word in all this, retaliation. Unfortunately you can’t claim that Israel was never on the receiving end of this type of behavior, they were, and they are.

Aside from that, you’re still not able to show me where American troops are targeting civilians in an attempt to kill them.

Let me make your blood boil a little more. The loss of 1-2 year olds and pregnant women is also a reality in war. The difference between America and the bulk of the rest of world’s military forces is that they do everything they can to prevent these types of casualties from occuring. I’m not sure what’s so hard to understand about that, it’s a fact.

Here’s something else that will put a tickle in your turban….I’m not so sure that politicians should be putting our troops necks out there further to keep preventing these types of casualties. Dare I say an American soldiers life is worth more to me than a civilian of a nation we’re at war with? Preventative measures should be taken to keep civilians safe, but going well out of your way and putting our troops in harms way to do it isnt’ acceptable.

Well, because I was hoping to get you on record as being one of the Muslims that I can count on one hand who denounces the actions of your fellow Muslims as a reaction to the cartoons.

So again I take it you can’t answer the question….this is becoming a pattern with you.

You’ve let a lot of my arguments just slide on by, and when you respond to something it’s a smartass comment about how I should look stuff up myself or telling us some sob story about 4-5 year old children dying.

I’ll pray to God tonight that a U.S. Air Force jet has a bomb with your name on it lathered in pig fat the next time they go joy riding for civilian target practice in Beirut.

And my response (the things he wrote are in bold, my response in regular style):

Don’t respond to a question with a question, answer it.
Don’t try to change the topic. I answered it, and answering it with a question is equally valid. Quit putting rules of debate that are designed to make you the “winner”.

And I already answered your question. Next time take the time to read it.

As for the alleged lack of condemnation, first of all, what were you expecting, that every single Muslim say “I condemn this” so that you would be happy? Funny, because I don’t see every single American condemning the daily human rights violations by Israel, not to mention the daily overflights over Lebanese territory in response to… silence on the southern border. So what are you waiting for, get your fellow Americans to condemn it.

So you can’t post any pictures or videos of gleeful Americans dancing in the streets over loss of life in other countries as a result of military action?
Do not shift the discourse. My response was about the 500,000 protesting, not of Americans dancing on the streets.

You also can’t post any videos or audio of Muslim leaders denouncing the actions of the Islamic Fundamentalists.
Mmm, actually, I would cite some sources, but I leave it to you to go and look for it (not sure if it’s available online). Here in Lebanon, where we don’t watch FoxNews, we saw a number of Muslim clerics and leaders denouncing the actions of Islamic fundamentalists. See for example a live interview (on the street) with a Muslim cleric at the scene of the Danish embassy, on LBC (Lebanese Broadcasting Corporation), the day the embassy was torched.

On this message board you’re required to back up your statements that you’re trying to pass off as fact.
Yeah, I noticed that. I am still waiting for you to back up your statements. Weren’t you the one claiming that no Muslim leader ever condemned the actions of Islamic fundamentalists? Prove it. It’s funny though, this “rule” of yours… who judges what is to be accepted as legitimate “back up” for one’s statements? Right, the neo-cons. Surely they will not ban any neo-con who makes blanket statements without feeling the need to back them up? Amusing.

which seems to be nothing less than another idiotic Liberal.
I expect you to substantiate that claim as well.

Yes, you made a statement about Israelis (see Jews) dancing in the streets a few blocks from the WTC after the 9/11 attacks. Please substantiate your claims. If you didn’t know, Jews aren’t exactly fond of Muslims, which I why I question who you really are,
I already told you, run a simple search on your favourite search tool. I find it funny that you don’t feel the need to substantiate YOUR claim about Muslims dancing on the streets on 9/11, and when I say Israelis did that too, in USA, you want me to substantiate my claim. Double standards? Anyway, you might want to look up about the five Israelis who were arrested (and silently released, unlike hundreds of Muslims and Arabs).

Again, if you would like to show me where the United States military is engaging in attacks directed at civilians you will be required to back-up your statements. Not only can you not back them up for a 24 year old conflict, you can’t even back them up with the war in Iraq either, which was your original point (just in case you forgot).
The massive amount of information available on American soldiers firing indiscriminately at civilian cars because they “thought” terrorists were in them (killing a man and his wife, leaving their 5 children orphans, this happened in Tal Afar, and it is only one incident among thousands that happen every week). Moreover, the fact that USA provides weapons and money to Israel does not make it ‘innocent’ of whatever crime the Israelis commit, and that applies to Beirut in 1982 and throughout the war, the occupation, Qana in 1996, and the daily violations of Lebanese sovereignty by Israel. I don’t know what you call killing a 15-year-old shepherd INSIDE Lebanese territory by … Israelis. Why does your country support this?

I don’t support those kinds of attacks against civilians. I am well aware of the issue in Qana, and I have also seen the videos of it. A tragedy, indeed.
A tragedy? Oh, so now the deliberate targeting of a UN compound with the full knowledge that there were hundreds of refugees there is a … tragedy? What about the bus bombings in Israel? Terrorism, right?

The difference between America and the bulk of the rest of world’s military forces is that they do everything they can to prevent these types of casualties from occuring.
Since that is your claim – and you’ve said it a number of times now – I expect you to back it up. And don’t reply with questions, just reminding you of your standards.

Well, because I was hoping to get you on record as being one of the Muslims that I can count on one hand who denounces the actions of your fellow Muslims as a reaction to the cartoons.
That is irrelevant. Now since you are so keen on going on such searches, why don’t you find me some Israelis (or Jews, according to your standards) who call a spade a spade when it comes to what their country does or Jewish groups do. I will not get into detail about all the shameful things that the Jewish lobby in USA engages in, although one particularly annoys the lobby when it is raised… I am sure you are aware of it. You must be.

So again I take it you can’t answer the question….this is becoming a pattern with you.
What was the question? Oh, there was no question. Here’s what it was in response to: “First we’re talking about 9/11 and the war in Afghanistan and Iraq and now you’re off talking about a region we haven’t had military action in for over 24 years.”

One tip though, for those who might want to engage in a debate in the future with neo-cons on their own forums/spaces. Save their post. Save them all. Not that there’s anything unique about their words, only that it gives you the satisfacton of posting them on your forum or blog later on, for the whole world to see. I say this from experience. I do it all the time (I have the whole discussion saved on my hard drive), which is why I could actually post what this “clown” had to say.

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8 responses to “Dude, I have been banned!

  1. You are a complete moron to equate suicide bombers to military action. This is just one of the many reasons that the middle eastern relations with the west is failing.

  2. You are a complete moron
    And I take that as a compliment, coming from a neo-con.

    When a neo-con calls you a complete moron know that you are in the right path. 🙂

    Suicide bombers deliberately targeting civilians and military action deliberately targeting civilians (Beirut 1982, Qana 1996, Palestine 1948-2006) are one and the same thing.

  3. First off, I am not a neo con.

    Second, you were banned because you were using the forum for a blog.

    Third, then you and I must disagree as to the motives of our military. Having been in the military, I can tell you that we do not target civilians, and if ever it were to happen, it WOULD BE WRONG. It does not make it right for suicide bombers to targer civilians, or didn’t your mamma ever teach you that 2 wrongs don’t make a right???

  4. Second, you were banned because you were using the forum for a blog.
    Uhh, excuse me??? Believe me, I do not need your filthy fascist neo-con forum to fill up my blog. I think if I dedicate one post per Israeli violation of Lebanese sovereignty I can fill up my blog alright. Although admittedly it wouldn’t be as funny as reporting on the idiocy of neo-cons is..

    Having been in the military, I can tell you that we do not target civilians, and if ever it were to happen, it WOULD BE WRONG.
    Your country has done that before and is continuing to do that. Moreover, if not directly, then indirectly (which makes little difference, really) by providing weapons and billions of dollars to Israel, and not only that but also supporting a number of brutal dictatorships that appeal to your tastes.

    It does not make it right for suicide bombers to targer civilians, or didn’t your mamma ever teach you that 2 wrongs don’t make a right???
    Where did I say that suicide bombing is right????? And exactly, 2 wrongs don’t make a right. That is why revenge killings by Israel are not right, and that is also why USA’s “reaction” by going on a number of crusades is not right. I have been saying that ever since I arrived on that filthy, racist forum that you like to keep “clean” from “liberal trash” like myself (what, I am a liberal now? Good grief!)

  5. Didn’t say you “needed” it. Just that it was the reason. “Dude,” don’t get unhinged.

    Directly, indirectly- it does matter. You disagree with the USA policy of supporting Israel. Fine. Say so but saying that we support the bombing of “4-5” year olds is disingenious.

    You said it was deserved (or at least “indirectly” said so) because of actions by us.

    Are you a liberal? I have no clue- but if you support anarchy and communism, then here in the USA you would be a liberal.

    The USA is not on a “crusade.” We are protecting ourselves from people who would like nothing better than to destroy this country. If you are not trying to destroy this country, then don’t worry about us. If we pulled out of everywhere right now, it would not stop the terrorists attacks. If we quit funding democracies, they would not stop. Israel pulled out settlers and built a wall, suicide bombs continue.

    If you (an indirect “you”) don’t believe that Israel has a right to exist, than you will be at war with nations more powerful than “you.”

    Am I going to get banned now?

    And by the way, what in the HELL is your definition of neo-con? Do you even understand what that means?

    Do you understand that the difference between fascism and communism is very very small?

    I hope your weather there in the middle east is good, it is freezing here.

  6. Didn’t say you “needed” it. Just that it was the reason.
    So which is the official reason? Or is there more than one truth? 🙂

    You disagree with the USA policy of supporting Israel. Fine. Say so but saying that we support the bombing of “4-5″ year olds is disingenious.
    Uhh, supporting Israel = supporting the bombing of 4-5 year olds………. Just like supporting dictators = supporting their tyrannical and brutal actions against the people……..

    You said it was deserved (or at least “indirectly” said so) because of actions by us.
    I said no such thing. You choose to interpret it as such, that is your problem, not mine.

    Are you a liberal? I have no clue- but if you support anarchy and communism, then here in the USA you would be a liberal.
    I do not really care about labels, let alone about labels that Americans apply. I do not identify as a liberal and I think that term has been so overused that it has lost its real meaning.

    We are protecting ourselves from people who would like nothing better than to destroy this country.
    Exactly BECAUSE of the alleged “protection”. I didn’t know protection could be achieved by putting dictators like Mubarak in power. Or giving Hafiz al Assad the keys to Lebanon because you needed help in first Gulf war… That is, again, not to justify what has been going on (so please do not attempt to twist my words).

    If you (an indirect “you”) don’t believe that Israel has a right to exist, than you will be at war with nations more powerful than “you.”
    I don’t much care about Israel. I don’t care about borders. I care about people and I care about true liberation. Nationalism is a plague (and the bases for supremacist movements) and it must be eliminated.

    Am I going to get banned now?
    No, I do not see why you should be banned. I welcome discussion/debates (and not for the purpose of “advancing” my blog or adding more traffic to it). So unless you spam (and already there was one person who did that), your comments will not be removed.

    And by the way, what in the HELL is your definition of neo-con? Do you even understand what that means?
    I think I know fairly well what it means. The question is, do you?

    Do you understand that the difference between fascism and communism is very very small?
    What is that supposed to mean? Do you have any idea what real communism is all about? Not Stalinist communism, because I can assure you Stalin knew nothing about the spirit or letter of communism.

    Furthermore, why do you think I am the spokesperson of communists? I do not identify as one, although I have worked closely with Marxists, Marxist-Leninists, communists, and socialists..

    I hope your weather there in the middle east is good, it is freezing here.
    It’s actually pretty cold here as well. Snow in the mountains just a bit higher from where I live. Bloody rainy, these past few days.

  7. The reason I am associating communism with your views is the “lack of borders” and your profile.

    The term neo con here means a social conservative, yet believing in large govt and foreign entanglements. I am socially conservative (I even have 6 children) and fiscally conservative as well- believing a small national govt and more local control. I rarely think we should engage in overseas escapades. So I do not think I fit with the term neo con.

    If Stalin isn’t a real communist, then our liberals are not either. But they are just as evil.

    Where are you exactly? I somehow imagine that the whole mid east is warm and dry, but that sounds like it is not the case. It is supposed to be a high of 0 F here tomorrow. Brrr…

    I realize that us getting involved overseas sometimes has consequences that not everyone likes. That is why I am not usually behind sending money overseas or getting involved. But our govt usually tries to back the enemy of our enemy. And I think that democracy and the free market is infinitely better for people than anything else.

    And I am not wild about those who want to blow us up here having nukes or other types of mass weaponry. We must protect our national security and soveignry. If you don’t believe in National borders then we really have no common ground for a discussion in this area.

    Well that’s all for tonight. Talk to you later.

  8. The reason I am associating communism with your views is the “lack of borders” and your profile.
    That would be anarchism. 🙂 Communism does not necessarily believe in the elimination of borders. It does believe in cross-border cooperation – i.e. universal class struggle, but not necessarily the elimination of state authority.

    I know what neo-con means.

    If Stalin isn’t a real communist, then our liberals are not either. But they are just as evil.
    I don’t know about “your liberals”. That’s your problem, not mine. I don’t have a problem with real liberals, and I don’t really consider fake ones… liberals.

    Where are you exactly? I somehow imagine that the whole mid east is warm and dry, but that sounds like it is not the case. It is supposed to be a high of 0 F here tomorrow. Brrr…
    I live in Mount Lebanon (in a town called Qornet Shahwane). It’s actually not that far from the sea. You can see a mini-map of where I live on the “About” section of my blog.

    I realize that us getting involved overseas sometimes has consequences that not everyone likes. That is why I am not usually behind sending money overseas or getting involved. But our govt usually tries to back the enemy of our enemy. And I think that democracy and the free market is infinitely better for people than anything else.
    Mmm, well then, we fundamentally disagree. 🙂 Democracy is a paradox that favours the powerful majority over the weak minority (not speaking in ethnic/religious terms here).

    And I am not wild about those who want to blow us up here having nukes or other types of mass weaponry. We must protect our national security and soveignry. If you don’t believe in National borders then we really have no common ground for a discussion in this area.
    Your only protection and security is through the elimination of borders that are, to begin with, the cause of seeking nukes, making war, and killing people – all in the name of national sovereignty, protection, or … chosennness (e.g. Nazism or the so-called “national socialism” which is also practiced by Israel, White colonialism, Jewish colonialism, etc.)

    Well that’s all for tonight. Talk to you later.
    Thank you for the respectful discussion. That’s really uncommon these days.

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