Tragic quote of the day

I would’ve said funny quote of the day if it weren’t so tragic: “No, I think Hezbollah deliberately set those people up to be slaughtered.” – an Israeli blogger on the massacre at Qana….

I won’t say more, because some things are better left unsaid. Sometimes you just have to let actions and words do the job of exposing the character, education, and morality of their authors. Naive as I am, I expected that some (self-identified moderate) Israelis would express at least some shock at, if not condemnation of, the massacre (deliberate or not).

Having said that, Richard at Tikun Olam has blogged about the massacre and its implications; I encourage you to read it. Another must-read is Gideon Levy’s Days of darkness, in Ha’aretz.

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24 responses to “Tragic quote of the day

  1. Porgie Tirebiter

    Let us leave no doubt on this subject, Hezbollah is the one who has BLOOD on their hands. Real men do not use women and children as shields in war. Real leaders fight like men, not like pansies hiding behind their women’s dresses. Hezbollah’s leader is nothing but and overweight swine.

    Porgie Tirebiter

  2. Real leaders fight like men
    Real soldiers fight like men (but that’s a sexist statement, something I doubt you will understand), rather than hiding behind F-16s and massacring 40 children who are asleep in the basement of a building. But I don’t expect you to understand that either.

  3. anarchistian

    it’s carla from depi hayk… I have been reading your entries and yelling/crying at my CNN every day. thank you for posting. stay safe and know that you are in my thoughts every day.

    xoxo
    carla

  4. “Naive as I am, I expected that some (self-identified moderate) Israelis would express at least some shock at, if not condemnation of, the massacre (deliberate or not).”

    there are some … join us here … http://www.cmc.blackcurranthost.co.uk/community/

  5. Hey Carla,

    Glad to have you here!

    Hope you’re OK too. 🙂

    Take care.

  6. We know who is ultimately responsible for this terrible tragedy: Hezbollah, which started this war. We don’t know what caused the building to collapse.

  7. You sure need to grow brains, mate.

    http://angryarab.blogspot.com/2006/07/american-friend-who-watched-us-tv-news.html

    Ever heard of the boy who cries wolf?

  8. Hey, Porgie, are you spamming all the blogs with that today?

    Are you one of these?

    The Times July 28, 2006

    Israel backed by army of cyber-soldiers
    FROM YONIT FARAGO IN JERUSALEM

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2289232,00.html

  9. Why is it that the overwhelming majority of Arabs/Muslims simply side with other
    Arabs/Muslims without objectivity?

    The Israelis did try in ernest to notify civilians (and thereby militants) of the
    impending war front. Since Hezbolla and Hamas operate in civilian clothes (except
    when marching on t.v.)and do so right beside civilians…then why does the Lebanese
    military pick up those that have no vehicle or place to take refuge? Are they leaving
    them in harms way to make Israel look like monsters?

    Why has this question not been addressed publicly.

    Respectfully,

    CanChef

  10. Could someone please explain this 4-step line of reasoning that I’ve been reading a lot here lately:

    Group A fights for a cause to redress grievances that have been wrought on them from Group B.
    Group B kills members of Group A.
    Group B also kills innocent bystanders of Group A.
    Group B says that it was actually Group A who killed the bystanders.

    What am I missing here? Could it be possible that the IDF actually killed Jews in Haifa? How could that be? But this might just work out great.

    There’s this kid who lives next to us – Johnny. He’s a bully. He just beat up my son for the 10th time. But this is cool because tomorrow I’m going to kill Johnny’s entire family! The best part is that I actually will not have killed them. Johnny will have killed them! I get it. This is excellent.

    Oh wait, there’s problem here. Johnny might then kill me. But no. It actually will have been my son who killed me.

    Now I’m all confused again.

  11. Thanks for the link to my blog post about the massacre.

    This won’t help anyone here who doesn’t read Hebrew (perhaps everyone?), but there’s a terrific Hebrew language blog, Ha-Okets, which blogs fr. a progressive perspective about the Israeli-Arab conflict. I would recommend it if you read the language. I dearly wish there was a way to translate to English some of his material on a regular basis. I’m just too overwrought by the blogging I’m already doing about this madness to take on this extra assignment.

    There are also folks like Ran HaCohen, Aron Trauring and Robert Rosenberg who take a reasonable (that is to say, critical) approach to analyzing Israeli policy. You can read them and many other progressive blogs at Israel-Palestine Blogs, my new peace blog aggregator.

    You won’t find these Israeli bloggers talking in any way remotely like OlehGirl about this massacre.

  12. Chris Swift, exactly! But expect anything from people who are out to defend or justify the massacre of civilian – including such an illogical explanation/justification as that!

  13. Real soldiers fight like men.
    Tell the hizbolah to stop hiding in those complexes.
    I think you should look at this by the new york times, it might wake you up to a sharp reality:
    http://www.time.com/time/photoessays/2006/inside_hizballah/

    While they are are accusing Israel of acting like the Germans, isn’t it just obvious from the photos what they plan and want to do? After all it is no big secret – they announce it publicly.

    Who said the children are innocent?
    In my opinion they are to-be terrorists.

  14. Hey Richard,

    I wish I read Hebrew! Unfortunately, here in Lebanon we don’t have many places that offer Hebrew courses, except for one or two (I know that the American University of Beirut does, for its Middle Eastern Studies program)…

    I have added your Israeli-Palestinian blog aggregator link to my links list. I used to read a blog by an Israeli, titled “Aron’s Israel Peace Blog”, but he hasn’t updated it in the pats month…

    I have also been checking out another blog aggregator – for all Israeli blogs in English… http://english.webster.co.il/

    Some of the material on those blogs is hair-raising. 😦

  15. Anarchistian – thanks for the feedback.

    Another interesting trend that seems to generally be holding true in these comments is this: those who defend the actions of Israel use arguments based on justifications and reasoning (as weird and twisted as I feel it is). Those defending the actions of the Lebanese and Palestinians are using…facts.

    FACT: HezbAllah hide in communites. OF COURSE THEY DO. What are they going to do, go stand out on a barren hilltop with all the unmanned drones buzzing around taking photos of them, all the high-res satellite imagery that the US is feeding Israel? If the situation were reversed, any Israeli commander who did NOT tell his troops to hide should be immediately thrown out of the army.

    FACT: The mobile rocket launchers are…M O B I L E! You light off a rocket and drive like hell, is what you do. The bombers come in a half hour later and, surprise surprise…THEY’RE GONE. Duh! You don’t get the rocket launcher. You get the people who are eatting dinner in their homes, you unconscionable bastards, you murderers.

    FACT: And this one goes out to you, shlemazl. I recommend that you sit down first. It was a BOMB that destroyed the building in Qana. A bomb dropped by the IDF (not HezbAllah) and it had “Made in the USA” written on the side. Hellloooo!

    Let’s just stick to the facts. Only the facts. I’m not interested in reading anyone’s bullsh*t justifications.

    The power of human beings in self-delusion is awesome. And terrifying.

  16. Gabriel – I looked through all 9 of the photos through the link on your comment. Yeah? And? Outside of a few clearly sarcastic and dismissive photo captions written by some jerk at time.com, I didn’t see anything that I couldn’t imagine anyway. People praying at a Mosque? People getting their hair cut? People honoring those killed in battle? So? What “sharp reality” are you referring to that I should wake up to? If you are correct in saying this was published by the New York Times, I’m again not surprized. There are more Jews in New York City than there are in Israel. You don’t have to be much of a genius to know how to sell papers there.

    I also cannot stop myself in telling you what a sad and pathetic and hateful comment yours is about yet one more “justification” for killing babies. You should be absolutely ashamed of yourself for the bloodthirsty hatred in you that this reveals. Do you have children of your own? If so, you should be doubly ashamed. If not, do us all a favor and don’t have any.

    The logic of this just don’t work, Gabe. ‘Cause, you see, dude, I don’t know what YOU might turn into in the future. Might be something aweful (maybe it is, already). So, hey, guess I should just kill you right now, right? Isn’t that the way this logic plays out? Most excellent! EVERYBODY GETS TO KILL EVERYBODY because of a potential reality in the future…which we can’t predict…and don’t know. But wait!! If everybody kills everybody now, it’ll create an immediate reality that REALLY sucks. But I wax naive – correct me if I’m wrong, dude, but where I think your really going with this is that every Jew gets to kill every Arab. Please tell me I’m wrong.

    There’s something a little bit hypocritical about being told by the sleeping that I should wake up.

  17. The Israeli Army said that it was puzzled that the strike occurred between midnight and 1 a.m., and hit next to the building, but that the building collapsed around 7 a.m. Brig. Gen. Amir Eshel said it was at least possible that the explosion was caused by munitions stored inside the building.

    “It is possible that various things were stored inside the house, things that ultimately caused an explosion,” General Eshel said.

    I wonder how can they come up with such excuses http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/31/world/middleeast/31mideast.html?pagewanted=2&ei=5053&en=37ec52a351a66f41&ex=1155009600&partner=NYTHEADLINES_INTL

    Can’t say anything except that I hope you are okay Anachistian, in Lebanon

  18. “those who defend the actions of Israel use arguments based on justifications and reasoning (as weird and twisted as I feel it is).”

    That’s exactly it, Chris. That’s the problem I have to face with a lot of the comments on my blog. They refuse to believe the “facts” because they don’t think it’s logical. But war is defined as irrational. You can’t look at reason here and rule out what you think is the impossible. You need to look at what’s going on instead of dismissing countless of innocent dead civilians as “mistakes” that could’ve been thrice as worse had it not been for the IDF’s “logical methods” of fighting against the enemy. For the past few weeks, we have had more than enough proof that innocent people are being targeted. Specifically. Intentionally. And for NO apparent reason. But unfortunate and stupid as it is, people are calculating what would happen if the IDF were actually brutal, and saying “things would’ve been much worse, but because they don’t target civilians, things are okay! 750 dead people is not much!”

    It’s disgusting to see people try to make this seem insignificant. The only thing worse than terrorism is those who support and justify it. Those who are supporting the IDF through these tough times are blind nationalists who refuse to see what’s happening on the other side for the sake of their own pride.

    This is no longer acceptable. I’m so thankful for people like Anarchistian and I feel nothing but pity for those who are saying that Israel is not to blame for what’s going on. It’s narrow-minded and ignorant, especially when FACTS refute their arguments while they insist that the news is skewed because the world is conspiring against the great nation of Israel.

  19. ES – well said.

  20. Anarchistian, PLEASE READ THIS, Yonit Farago in Jerusalem for Times Online, 28 July 2006 (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2289232,00.html) writes:

    “While Israel fights Hezbollah with tanks and aircraft, its supporters are campaigning on the internet.
    Israel’s Government has thrown its weight behind efforts by supporters to counter what it believes to be negative bias and a tide of pro-Arab propaganda. The Foreign Ministry has ordered trainee diplomats to track websites and chatrooms so that networks of US and European groups with hundreds of thousands of Jewish activists can place supportive messages.
    In the past week nearly 5,000 members of the World Union of Jewish Students (WUJS) have downloaded special “megaphone” software that alerts them to anti-Israeli chatrooms or internet polls to enable them to post contrary viewpoints. A student team in Jerusalem combs the web in a host of different languages to flag the sites so that those who have signed up can influence an opinion survey or the course of a debate.”

    But then you probably already know this from the comments you’re getting.

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