Call it whatever you want

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Victory/Defeat Rally Highlights

1. It is estimated that more than 800,000 (AP) took part in the victory/defeat rally in the southern suburb of Beirut.

2. A number of participants had walked the distance from south Lebanon on foot, accompanied by ambulances.

3. Also present were members and supporters of other parties and movements, among them Haraket Amal, SSNP, Marada, LFPM, Lebanese Communist Party, Haraket Sha’ab, Independent Nasserite Movement, and others. Many other parties (such as the Armenian Tashnag party) had sent representatives. Absent were Walid beik’s (see Nasrallah’s speech point #10 below), Sheikh Sa’ad Hariri’s, and warlord Samir Jea’jea’s supporters.

4. Also present were many local and regional figures, more than 450 media agencies from around the world, as well as a number of non-Lebanese Arab supporters who had come to Lebanon especially for the rally.

5. Families and relatives of killed fighters were allocated a special seating area, and they mostly wore red caps and held portraits of their loved ones who died on the battlefield.

6. Quite a number of people had sown 4 flags into one: HezbAllah, Amal, LFPM, and Lebanese flags. Reflective of the popular mood, and perhaps even indicative of the possible strategic/electoral alliance in the coming elections.

7. Popular support of LFPM has soared within the ranks of HezbAllah members and supporters.

8. Seating was available for most but not all participants, given that the reality far exceeded expectations. Many could not even make it to the area, given the heavy traffic and the unavailability of any parking space.

Nasrallah’s Speech

Nasrallah’s speech was defiant, angry, but also reasonable and controlled. Some highlights from the speech:

1. Some in the government had hidden wishes for an Israeli victory, and often made under-the-table assurances. Whatever assurances and promises were/are made remain between the two parties and is none of the business of the resistance or the people.

2. HezbAllah will not disarm, it has at its disposal more than 20,000 rockets (with emphasis on more than), and it is stronger than at any time before.

3. A few sarcastic comments about UNIFIL: a) the contributing countries have not even mentioned that they are sending their troops to defend Lebanon and the Lebanese. They are ashamed of you, my brothers and sisters!; b) instead, they emphasize Israel’s right to exist and defend itself (reference to Merkel); c) Nevertheless, I welcome UNIFIL. Some want to see UNIFIL as a tool to restore the balance between internal forces. But I tell UNIFIL that they should stick to their mission, which is to support the Lebanese Army rather than spy on HezbAllah; d) they think that by patrolling our coastline and controlling our borders they are doing something, good, let them do it! They are doing it to fool their people and save Israel’s face, nothing more!

4. The army is unable to defend the Lebanese and the sources of their livelihood. This has nothing to do with the loyalty of the army, but with the political decision-making. Today the army is in the south, and the Israelis come in and go out as they wish, often kidnapping and assaulting civilians. Will the government turn the army into a violations counter? We will not be patient for long if the government fails to practice its duty to protect citizens.

5. We have so far avoided violating 1701, as any violation on our part will bring the world to its feet, while at the same time Israel continues its daily violations. This does not mean, however, that we will be patient indefinitely.

6. Some sides insist that this war, which Arab rulers said was the sixth Arab war and the Zionists said was the first war in Israel’s history, was for the sake of Iran’s nuclear file or Syria’s attempts to halt an international court, but it is a shame to say such a thing, even though we are proud of our ties to the Islamic Republic of Iran and Syria. We, who have sacrificed with our blood and loved ones…

7. Some are worried that the Sheba’a farms and Kfar Shouba hills case will be abandoned, but I assure you, we will liberate every inch of Lebanese land, including the ones that the Israelis are routinely occupying (as of the ceasefire). The Americans were at one point “willing” to give back Sheba’a farms, but then they backed away because they said they refused to hand it over to HezbAllah. Here he adopted a very sarcastic tone, and continued, I tell them, hand it over to whoever you want, just hand it over! He clearly was making fun of the U.S administration’s claims that the reason it did not press Israel to hand back the farms was HezbAllah.

8. This government should step down because it is unable to perform its duties and new election laws should be in place, so that everyone would feel that they are represented fairly, rather than feel that they have become followers of another group. When I call for a unity government I do not call for eliminating anyone, but let us all protect, build, and defend.

9. The disagreements are of a political rather than sectarian nature, and the proof is that there are people from all sects who support us, and there are also Shi’ites who disagree with us, and we welcome that, because it proves that the conflict is political and not sectarian, and there is no danger of civil strife.

10. A few days ago a za’im (elite leader) from the February 14 forces (referring to Walid beik aka Walid Junblatt) made a statement, in which he said that supporters of HezbAllah are brainless. This is unacceptable. I cannot accept such a thing and I, Hassan Nasrrallah, will not be silent when the people of the resistance are insulted in this manner. He has to apologize, yes apologize! Neither my father was a beik, nor I, and nor will my son!

11. We will not let anyone dishonour us in return for building houses that were destroyed for our honour!

Bottom line

You can call this rally whatever you want, but if this is a defeat, I don’t know what a victory would look like.

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15 responses to “Call it whatever you want

  1. “You can call this rally whatever you want, but if this is a defeat, I don’t know what a victory would look like.”

    – It will look the same except the dozens of destroyed buildings in the background…

  2. I’d love to see the faces of all those French wannabee Beirutis who secretly had hoped the USraelis would trample of the Shia’a South after seeing and hearing the victory rally today.

  3. a,
    Victory is borne in the heart, not in concrete pilings.

    It is the spirit and will of a people that lead it to victory, not the number of their buildings that still stand. This was a lesson learned the hard way by the United States in Viet Nam, and so many others long before and after.

    I saw a BBC “report” on the Nasralla speach today. In their 30 second blurb, they focused on his “more than 20,000 rockets” comments and a quick, throw away line at the end about how much more “dangerous” they are today!! And some say that HezbAllah got little to no “bad press” over the recent events? Ridiculous. The bad press continues and is relentless. On the Israeli front? All quiet. Weird, eh?

    The only thing that disappointed me about Nasrallah’s speech was that he was unable to say, “more than 100,000 rockets”; for that is the minimum it will take to make the colonizers and contonizers and barbarians who run Israel think twice about launching yet another raid on thier neighbors. Olmert, Shamir, in his day, all the way back to Golda Meir (and all the others of their kind) are/were pigs who understand nothing other than brut force. And this is not unpredictable. Leaders of damn near all powers react the same. The thing I cannot stand, however, is that they seem to be gleeful in dispensing it, but shreik like hell when it comes back to them in kind.

    They can dole it out, but they can’t take it!

  4. Swift,

    You should relax.
    You’ll live longer.

  5. And it’s all back to June, 2006.

    Hezbullah won’t disarm. Nasrallah calls the electeced government who steered Lebanon through the crisis he created weak and illegitimate.
    Israel still hold Kuntar and the others and the Sheba’a farms.

    The only changes are the Lebanese army is south of the Litani and any chance Isreal would have pulled out of the West Bank ala Gaza are gone. And we will wait for the next attack/response/kidnapping/flyover and see how it plays out next time.

    The area set aside for families of killed combatants couldn’t have been very big. How many relatives could the 53 have had?

    Tired

  6. Anarchy Revolution, I got the full speech in Arabic, I can email it to you, + gonna put the translation in English on my blog..

    /me hugs teh knockout Anarchist

  7. I think it’s the IDF that should relax.
    Think of all their neighbors who’d get to live longer!

  8. MFL!!!!
    I do have the full Arabic transcript of the speech, but I thought by the time I finish doing a word-by-word translation, people would already lose interest… so I merely pointed out the highlights of his speech..
    Tired, what 53 are you talking about?

  9. To Swift,

    “I think it’s the IDF that should relax”

    That’s exactly what the IDF did for the last 6 years (on the Lebanese border anyway…) This is why the HA was able to build all these bunkers. I don’t think the IDF will relax again anytime soon.

  10. That’s exactly what the IDF did for the last 6 years
    Oh yes. Of course, opening fire on civilians across the border (yes, Lebanese border anyway) does not constitute a breach of the ceasefire. Nor does the routine kidnapping of sheppards. And of course, the violations by the IAF are not really violations, they are merely friendly flights…
    HA is free to build whatever it wants, and it’s not up to Israel to decide what is built outside its borders, unless we are going to adopt one set of standards for all, in which case it also becomes the business of HA and Israel’s numerous enemies, what it builds on “its own” (stolen and ethnically cleansed) land (1948)!!!
    The IDF has no choice BUT to take a chill pill, at least until the next round erupts, and when it does, I can assure you, the IDF’s losses will be double and triple that of this round. Gone are the times where you could judge by the pre-2000 rules of the game (and be correct in your calculations). 2006 is not 2000, and 2012 won’t be 2006. That’s what happens when you have an arrogant country that refuses any and all peace initiatives and signals from moderates among its enemies. But it seems most Israelis prefer to sit on their asses and whine about extremists than to actually do something tangible that would bring about real changes and real (just) peace. Yes, bunkers were built, but these bunkers and tunnels were not what won HezbAllah the war (let me remind you that these bunkers were largely not existent before 2000, and Israel was still defeated – yes defeated – in 2000). It was Israel’s arrogance and perceptions of invincibility that set the stage for its defeat. The irony is that it is a viscious cycle for Israel – until, that is, Israel gets over its own ego and admits that its arrogance was the key to its loss, and that the more it continues its isolationist and genocidal policies the more resistance it will be met with. The 2006 episode against HezbAllah should be a lesson to be learnt from in future dealings with the Palestinians and Hamas… In due time Hamas will be a carbon copy of HezbAllah. You can take my word for it (unless your ego and arrogance prevent you from accepting such a truth).

  11. “Oh yes. Of course, opening fire on civilians across the border (yes, Lebanese border anyway) does not constitute a breach of the ceasefire. Nor does the routine kidnapping of sheppards.”

    I don’t believe that. Please post a link to a report on CNN. And please don’t start whining about CNN being controlled by Jews… Just post the f**k’n link.

    “And of course, the violations by the IAF are not really violations, they are merely friendly flights…”

    We do what we can to keep HA from getting stronger. And so should you.

    ”HA is free to build whatever it wants, and it’s not up to Israel to decide what is built outside its borders, unless we are going to adopt one set of standards for all, in which case it also becomes the business of HA and Israel’s numerous enemies, what it builds on “its own” (stolen and ethnically cleansed) land (1948)!!!”

    Every responsible state should be interested in EVERYTHING other countries are doing, especially if they are enemies with a mutual border. If Hassan Nasrallah ate an omelette for breakfast, I expect it to be on the next Israeli intelligence report. Does that make me a freak control I wonder…

    ”The IDF has no choice BUT to take a chill pill, at least until the next round erupts, and when it does, I can assure you, the IDF’s losses will be double and triple that of this round. Gone are the times where you could judge by the pre-2000 rules of the game (and be correct in your calculations). 2006 is not 2000, and 2012 won’t be 2006.”

    The rules of the game are ALWAYS changing my friend.

    “That’s what happens when you have an arrogant country that refuses any and all peace initiatives and signals from moderates among its enemies. But it seems most Israelis prefer to sit on their asses and whine about extremists than to actually do something tangible that would bring about real changes and real (just) peace.”

    Nice said! Just the other way around… This is EXACTLY the way most Israelis feel about the Palestinians. If you want, we can talk about the Palestinian issues in another post.

    “Yes, bunkers were built, but these bunkers and tunnels were not what won HezbAllah the war”

    The IDF won the actual battles on the ground but I admit our enemies (including HA) always have much better PR than us.

    “(let me remind you that these bunkers were largely not existent before 2000, and Israel was still defeated – yes defeated – in 2000).”

    My opinion (and many other Israelis) is that Israel should have left Lebanon many years before 2000.

    “It was Israel’s arrogance and perceptions of invincibility that set the stage for its defeat. The irony is that it is a viscious cycle for Israel – until, that is, Israel gets over its own ego and admits that its arrogance was the key to its loss, and that the more it continues its isolationist and genocidal policies the more resistance it will be met with. The 2006 episode against HezbAllah should be a lesson to be learnt from in future dealings with the Palestinians and Hamas… In due time Hamas will be a carbon copy of HezbAllah. You can take my word for it (unless your ego and arrogance prevent you from accepting such a truth).”

    Ok, I got your point after the first sentence… We want peace. We try to make one the best we can. It’s more complicated than you think. Try sending an Israeli to Gaza with a white flag and find out for yourself what he thinks about peace. You will have to find his head first because I’m sure his body and his head will return in different body bags. Don’t bother pressing F5 on CNN.com anytime soon, but let’s say we are working on that and some of us are even optimistic.

  12. Why CNN? Oh, is that the only media outlet you watch? Very enligthened of you.
    But here, here is one, from the French government (now don’t tell me that the French are traditionally anti-Semitic). Here is another, from Al-Jazeera (ahh, I can feel you will now call foul play since it’s an Arab source – actually not that Al-Jazeera is too accurate, but you can find the same story if you run a search).
    so should you.
    No thanks. And you know where you can shove your self-righteous arrogance…
    Every responsible state should be interested in EVERYTHING other countries are doing
    Interested is one thing, dictating what happens on others’ land is another. Unless you can’t tell the difference, and I wouldn’t be surprised. You are, after all, the representative sample of the Israeli culture of impunity.
    The rules of the game are ALWAYS changing my friend.
    No, not always. For decades the rules of the game were determined solely and absolutely by Israel, culminating in more and more occupation and subjugation and ethnic cleansing and colonization, and deaths. It could be said that since the late nineties the signals for a change were becoming more and more apparent, culminating in the victory in 2000. Since then a lot has changed, with the Intifada and – yes – its success in bringing the dormant Palestinian case to the forefront of world media and politics. And needless to recount, 2006 is yet another, and more severe blow. From here on, the rules of the game will be changing only in one direction. Israel is on a slippery slope, and I do not say this because I wish it would be so, but because it is the truth. Now you can live in denial, but it won’t help you much, would it? Like it didn’t in 2000.
    This is EXACTLY the way most Israelis feel about the Palestinians.
    That they feel so does not mean it is true. Fact of the matter is, there had been, for many years, more than a willingness to make peace with Israel, like giving up on such huge claims as 1948 lands, and so on. For you it might seem as something basic, but for the dispossessed it is never easy. What is it that the Israelis want? It seems to me most Israelis are simply spoiled and do not know when to stop. The Palestinians were willing to accept the 1967 borders, and work out the rest of the issues, but Israeli arrogance refused to recognize this historic concession for the importance it embodied… First and foremost it would’ve dealt a severe blow to the Messianic vision that seems to be driving much of Israeli policy. Anyway, not to drag this on for pages, you ought to read what your historians are writing about the collapse of the concept of the Iron Wall, because the historic opportunity was not snatched by Israel to make a peace deal that would grant them the most favourable conditions they could ever realistically get, all due to arrogance and a sense of invincibility. Well, all that is gone now. So what is next for Israel? It could’ve concluded the whole deal with a diplomatically advantageous position, but look at it now. Its position, military as well as diplomatic, has been blown to pieces.
    The IDF won the actual battles on the ground
    What battles did the IDF win? The loss of a number of ships and boats, navy personnel, helicopters, drones, more than 150 soldiers, hundreds more wounded, inability to stop the rockets, fighting for control of a village comprising 10 houses for 15 days, all at the hands of a few thousand fighters who were under aerial surveillance and bombardment almost 24/7?? If that’s a victory on the battlefield, then sure I admit you were victorious. 😀 But anyway, again this is your arrogance at work.. Go and read what your own media and generals have been saying.
    Try sending an Israeli to Gaza with a white flag and find out for yourself what he thinks about peace.
    Actually there are quite a number of them living and helping out Palestinians in Gaza and the WB, and they have been treated with the utmost respect and hospitality. Many take part in demonstrations against the wall. It seems I know better about what Israelis have done and do, than you. Perhaps you should look up Bil’in for starters. By the way, these Israelis and Jews (from around the world) are being treated brutally by your oh-so-righteous settlers and border police (what border? I thought there were no defined borders) / army…

  13. “No thanks. And you know where you can shove your self-righteous arrogance…”

    I’m sorry, after a statement like that I can’t continue reading your long comment. I promise I will check your blog again in 10 years when you’ll be in your 20’s. Bye. Have a nice life.

    a.

  14. Good for Anarchorev to keep dreaming – Next time I hope the IDF will not
    send advance warning when it weill flatten up Hezbollah areas – Then you
    will see the result. Then you will really celebrate

  15. Advance warning? Such as in Chiah, a residential suburb of Beirut? To name just one.. I mean, the heroism of the IDF lay in its surprise attacks. Surprising civilians, that is. And don’t be afraid of saying what is really on your mind. By “HezbAllah areas” you meant HezbAllah supporter areas not just areas where HezbAllah fighters have built tunnels… Your thirst for blood never ceases to amaze me.

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