What are the cedar revolutionaries up to?

Not that I subscribe to the hysteria that the Western media and their “leftist” complicits in Lebanon are trying to spread, but I thought I would post a few photos which might paint a more accurate picture of what the planners of this assassination might have been aiming for.

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From left to right

Photo #1: A Lebanese army officer tries to stop an angry Christian Lebanese man beating a Syrian driver who sits inside his Syrian taxi car after it destroyed by other angry protesters in Beirut, Lebanon. (AP) At least they didn’t serve tea to the hooligans.

Photo #2: Supporters of assasinated Lebanese Industry Minister Pierre Gemayel show their anger by stepping on a poster of Hezbollah ally General Michel Aoun in the Beirut Christian stronghold of Ashrafieh. (AFP) Am sure this will please our resident “Marxist”comrade (sic).

Photo #3: Angry Lebanese Christian protesters, burn a street side garbage container in reaction of the assassination of prominent anti-Syrian Christian politician Pierre Gemayel, in Beirut, Lebanon. (AFP) Oh, yeah, we will show them pictorial proofs of their hooliganism every time they dare open their mouths to criticize the hooligans who attacked churches over the Danish cartoons.

Photo #4: Furious supporters of prominent anti-Syrian Christian politician Pierre Gemayel, who was assassinated in a suburb of Beirut on Tuesday, raise aloft posters of Gemayel at the St. Josephs’s hospital where his body was brought in the Jdeideh suburb of eastern Beirut, Lebano. (AP) Just furious? Or dressed up in militia outfit?

Enjoy. Your cedar revolutionaries that is. Apologies for “taking one side against the second.”

31 responses to “What are the cedar revolutionaries up to?

  1. Get an education please!

  2. Defamatory cartoons = Politically motivated murder. Yeah, it’s a pick ’em.

    So, who do you think killed him?

  3. March 14 and USA (but I repeat myself).

  4. anarchorev, stay fearless. the assylum needs at least one sane voice.

  5. “Get an education please!”
    Seriously what does this mean? it means if you were more educated, then you would completely understand hwy some people like to stop random syrian taxi drivers to beat the shit out of them.

    you should know better!

  6. Yeah Bech, I bet that guy had a PhD.😀

  7. I wonder who/where J is?

  8. The States I guess. Pennsylvania?

  9. Yet, still an expert on Lebanese?

    Ah. Imperial arrogance. Us Brits know it well.

  10. Really great post. Well done.

  11. Yeah great post indeed.

    Pierre Gemayel was a leader of The Phalange (“Al Kataeb” in Arabic), an overtly Fascist Christian group modeled after Franco’s Hispanic version of the Nazi Party called El Movimiento Falangista: not really the standard textbook definition of a “democrat”… even by the Middle-East’s notoriously low standards!

    Unfortunately, the other members of Lebanon’s corrupt coalition government aren’t much better: apart from the neo-Nazis mentioned earlier, the other pillar of that government is made of a shady group of pro-Saudi Islamist technocrats called The Future Movement- a paradoxical appellation for a party advocating the strict application of laws dating from the 7th century AD…

    Islamic terrorists and Christian neo-Nazis: these are the people Bush and Olmert rely on to advance the cause of freedom in Lebanon.

    Who said the Neocons aren’t always “intellectually honest”?

  12. Dr. Victorino, are you skimping on comment again? I’m sure I’ve seen this one before…

  13. Great post! I can’t believe I never came to this site before!

  14. That’s interesting. Do you mean someone in the Bush government or the CIA ordered a hit on him?

    And who carried it out? And did the same folks that killed Pierre Gemayel also kill Bashir way back when? And did the US and “his allies” also kill Harari? And Karami? And Jumblatt way way back when? Let’s see, who esle is on the list? Chidiac? If the “anti-Syrian” Christians don’t stop killing their allies at the behest of the US, there won’t be a lot of “anti-Syrian” Christian’s left … Or is the Gemayel murder the outlier?

    I know the logic is supposed to be that it was to keep the Hezbullah off the streets, but aren’t they going to demonstate in a week or two anyway? A pretty strong act for a few weeks delay, don’t you think (not that you can’t accuse the US of every overplaying a hand or going boldly in the stupidest of directions.)

  15. Tired why do you feel the need to use fallacies to score a point? What do the other murders have anything to do with this? Are we supposed to lump all murders in Lebanon from the ancient times to 2006 together?

    And how does your argument that HezbAllah (AND many other parties, INCLUDING General Aoun’s FPM, so I don’t see why your emphasis is on HezbAllah) is going to demonstrate in a week or two disprove/disqualify the argument that it was meant to weaken the opposition? That it failed to achieve its aims because most people, even the Hariri-supporters, can see right through this, and are disgusted at the political carnival that the funeral was turned into, means that it was aimed at helping HezbAllah? How did it help HezbAllah? Are you suggesting HezbAllah is offing one minister after another so that the government would fall by itself? Can you make a bit more sense? HezbAllah kicked Israel’s arse this past summer, it could take over Lebanon with its weapons this second if it wants to. Yeah, I can see why HezbAllah would be doing such a thing to have all fingers pointed at it at such a delicate time.

    Ironically the domestic issue with HezbAllah (and the wider opposition including General Aoun and his party FPM) was not about pro-Syrianism (General Aoun is anti-Syrian) it was about toppling the unconstitutional government that claims to be constitutional. It was a purely internal Lebanese issue, and the assassination was aimed at turning the split again along pro-Syrian vs. anti-Syrian lines, and most probably hoped to isolate HezbAllah by moving General Aoun towards the “March 14” on the pretext that it was “anti-Syrian”. That it failed, does not mean this was not the intention.

    Grow up, it’s time for you to do so.

  16. Well, as you know I’m fairly new to Lebanese politics but the question asked me by some folks who know more than I do when I suggested your theory was why they would target a sitting cabinet member and bring the government closer to the crisis that the Hezbullah aligned ministers tried to provoke by resigning. Why not a different Christian/March 14 figure. WWhy not Gemayel’s father? Or a Falangist leader not in government. OrOr another anti-Syrian journo?

    So you are saying that other assassinations (Hariri?) were Syrian but not this one?

    And I am, in fact, grown up, and all the petulant schoolyard pissanting on the web who’t change that fact (much as I would like it to. Oh to be 18 and certain again – “when I was young, and golden and infallable …”

  17. why they would target a sitting cabinet member and bring the government closer to the crisis that the Hezbullah aligned ministers tried to provoke by resigning.
    What “crisis”? There is no governmental “crisis” as far as the ruling party is concerned. They do not even recognize the unconstitutionality of the government. They are having a cabinet meeting without the 6 resigned ministers, they don’t give a sh*t about them. So again, what “crisis”? Or did your friends – what were their names, I forgot – inform you of this so-called “crisis”? Amine Gemayel does not have the same standing as his son. His son is young, is a cabinet minister (hence killing him would boost the argument that H.A is offing one minister after the other to bring about the automatic collapse of the government), and his assassination is more likely to arouse anger and hatred than the assassination of for e.g. his father. The main argument is that H.A is trying to assassinate cabinet ministers to topple the government (giving “credence” to the American warning that H.A is plotting to overthrow the govn’t violently). Assassinating an anti-Syrian journalist would not have the same intended effect.

    No, I am not saying the other assassinations were done by Syria!!! Where did you get that from? I am saying that each assassination needs to be investigated separately (and where investigation is not carried out, then a cost-benefit analysis carried out). It might all be related, but it is also possible that different actors have carried out the assassinations…

  18. Well, I have a number of Lebanese friends and acquaintances (and more since this summer as Abdul and Deena came through town and introduced me to a few others. Another couple I have known for a long time are “mixed” I suppose, as she is Armenian born, but raised for a long time in Beruit. HHis father was Syrian but he left Syria for Beruit as an infant.) But the question of cabinet crises was asked by a Mr. Karaki (I don’t know his first name) who works at a lumber supply store, if that helps you at all. He only knows Abdul in passing. I actually introduced them when I was building a little deck for a friend.

    What was mentioned to me (and I’ve seen in both western and arab media) is the idea that if one (or now two, I think, since Sabaa “returned”) minsters leave the cabinet then the gov’t will have to disolve, no? I didn’t think that the six Hizbullah ministers who resigned were enought (but as I said, I’m no constitutional or even general expert). And it doesn’t really seem like the Gemayel killing will stop the Hizbullah protests either. And as you said, Aoun is not going to change his mind. So it’s hard to really see the point. But obviously I don’t know.

    I suppose we shall see. And if the Hariri killings are traced to Syria? What are Lebanon’s options?

  19. It seems to me, after giving this a bit of thought, that the mostly likely other suspect beside Syria/Syrian-leaning Lebanese in Gemayel murder would be Isreal. I just don’t see what the sitting Lebanese Goverment gets out of it that warrants the price (unless for some reason someone wanted Gemayel out of the picture anyway.) I think you can make a better case (as some Palestinian commentators have) that Israel at least has the motive of the recent moves toward Syria by the US in regard Iraq. If Isreal and/or neo-con hardliners wanted to derail the Baker boys from bringing Syria into the “post debacle” debacle, implicating or trying to implicate Syria in a murder would not be out of the question.

    At the same time, there seems to be a lot of Syrian upset over the Hariri commission and from all reports intimidation of that sort is not way out of their wheelhouse either.

    A personal and political tragedy in any case, certainly. How was the younger Gemayel seen? As hardline as his father and grandfather?

  20. The cabinet must have 2/3rds of the members or else it will be dissolved. That means 2 more ministers need to resign. Actually 5 Shi’ite (not just HezbAllah) ministers have resigned, 2 HezbAllah, 2 Amal, and 1 independent (affiliated with H.A & Amal, he’s the Foreign Minister of Lebanon), and the 6th minister who resigned is a Greek Orthodox Yaakoub Sarraf, affiliated with Pres. Lahoud. Pres. Lahoud still has 3 ministers in the cabinet, 1 had recently moved closer to Hariri Inc. So if the 2 others resign the cabinet would be automatically dissolved… Unfortunately people don’t realize this, and they continue to accuse Lahoud of trying to halt the tribunal, when the government is standing owing to the non-resignation of Lahoud’s ministers.

    Well the Gemayel killing will definitely not stop protests, and the protests would’ve taken place even if the Gemayel killing had not taken place, so whoever killed Gemayel had in mind attempting to block or postpone (indefinitely) the protests. Obviously that didn’t work because neither Aoun nor H.A-Amal bowed down to the pressure, and actually I would attribute this to the idiocy of March 14 which in its haste to make use of the assassination, ruined its chances of gaining the momentum, which the assassins obviously wanted to give to them, if they were non from within the March 14 movement… if the assassins were from the March 14 this means that there were huge miscalculations and stupidities… in fact, whereas the killing of Gemayel was an attempt to bring the Christian street closer to the March 14 by putting pressure on Aoun to leave H.A and approach them rather than risk splitting the Christian street and lose much credibility (which obviously did not happen), it had the opposite effect. March 14 had overestimated the nature of the support it received from Sunni Muslims, who (with the exception of the Salafis from DInniye, whom Hariri Sr. had freed) did not go down to the funeral/gathering. I am presuming the reason is that Gemayel had made some really bigoted/racist statements about Muslims before his death, and they were probably not willing to even obey their “leaders'” call for this reason. I think this politicization of the Gemayel funeral will have huge implications on the Sunni street and its support of Hariri Inc., and just for the record this does not mean that the March 14 or their external supporters/patrons are not behind this assassination. It only means that the strategy adopted by March 14 to use this assassination to mobilize the masses and revive the “movement” was a failed strategy.

    The Hariri killing being traced to Syria – it makes no difference, it is already ALLEGEDLY traced to Syria. It was traced to Syria the second the explosion took place with leaders jumping and pointing fingers. People ought to realize that the tribunal will not make a difference, it is only a mechanism for the big powers, in this case USA, to put pressure on Syria if not topple its regime altogether (the possibilities as to how this could/would be done are endless – expand your imagination).

    It’s possible that Israel is behind this assassination (through local elements or otherwise) but I would say I am more inclined to say that it’s March 14 aided by USA. Of course Israel comes to benefit from the instability, but there are too many people benefiting from it, so we should focus on who benefits most from it. In this regard I think your theory would be more plausible if you discussed the possibility of Saudi Arabia having a hand in this. In fact, in my opinion KSA should be another prime suspect, and it could be a triple alliance/agreement of March 14-KSA-USA. We all know the obvious ties of Hariri to KSA, and the good ties between KSA and USA. KSA has a vested interest in striking at Syria and Syria’s attempts at rapprochement with USA AND Iraq. The Iraq mess these past few days is DEFINITELY related to this issue.

    I would say that Syria is taking the tribunal issue very calmly. If you take the Syrian diplomatic achievements and record in the past 3 decades you will see that they have successfully manoevered through the highs and lows of politics through diplomatic means, culminating in absolute control over Lebanon until 2005. If you take this into consideration you will see how implausible it is that Syria would be behind Hariri’s assassination, despite the fact that Syria does not have a clean record in that regard. If one takes into consideration the timing of the murder, like the timing of the rest of the assassinations that followed it, the accusation of Syrian involvement (at least Syrian official – as opposed to certain elements that are not in tune with Assad’s direction, like Khaddam – involvement) defies the boundaries of reason. This point has not been expanded upon unfortunately, and if it is, people would immediately come up with the argument that Syria based its hopes on the possibility that people would defend it from these accusations based on the argument that it defies the logic that Syria would do such a thing at such a time. But this is a weak argument I would say. Weak because it assumes that the risk was well worth taking for Syria, and that Syria would have relied on the goodwill of people’s opinions on this issue to preserve its hegemony in Lebanon. This makes no sense, especially if, again, you take a look at Syria’s diplomatic track record in the past 3 decades…

    As for Pierre Gemayel, he was not as outspoken as people claim him to be, definitely not as outspoken as Tueni, but he was despised by many especially Muslims for his comments on “quality versus quantity” (in reference to demographics / birth rate). In this respect he was pretty much being true to the fascistic traditions of the Phalange Party…

  21. You are there and I am not, so you might have a better sense of this (or may be colored by your antipathy toward the March 14) but if was actually the sitting government that killed their own minister – especially whenthe oposition has been trying to provoke a constitutional crisis – has said plainly it considers the government illegitimate and wants it to dissolve – and when that oposition can not be stopped militarily (so there is not the traditional “we need to impose martial law until the killers are captured” type option available – then these guys are really not clever. Calculating that with all else that has gone on Gemayel’s murder would effect an Aoun/Hezbullah split seems pretty wishful thinking, but certainly bigger political miscalculations have occured before.

    Syria – espcially “unofficial” Syrian elements – would not care so much if they were fingered. Syria, by many accounts, is quite unhappy with the Hariri tribunal.

    And Israel can’t be looking forward to the Baker commission report, which Bush will use as cover to pretend he is not “cutting and running” but simply changing tactics. Baker and buds, it is being reported, will propose a two stage approach: a multilateral approach (meaning increased KSA, Egyptian, Jordanian, Turkish and even Sryian and Iranian) involvement to help stabalize Iraq enough that the US can go back to controlling the Kurdish oil heavy north and some of the Shia oil heavy south and get out of the big bloody messy middle. If that does not work in a given time frame, they will call for the US to leave and allow the Iraq’s to work (read “fight”) it out amongst themselves.

    I doubt that Bush will accept the later, but Cheney’s trip to KSA seems to indicate the first is up and running. I’m not sure what the “multilateral” community can do in the short term, except give Bush a way out. But I can’t imagine enough stability in the region in a year for Bush to get out under his own terms. The Republicans will force him to get out before the 2008 election unless something miraculous happens.

    Given that the approach to Syria and Iran seems already underway – and Assad must be feeling his oats these days – it is not impossible, or even improbable that disaffected Syrians could have done it, that Isreal did it to derail the move to “warmer” Syrian relations, that Assad did it just to show they wouldn’t play patsy, or that some Cheney-esque “civilian contractor” did it to take some of the air out of the Baker/Scowcroft balloon.

    We may never know.

    What happens when Hizbullah protests? Will the needed two ministers (that part has been pretty well reported actually – although it was unclera if it was one or two – did Sabaa “coming back” take it back up to two?)

    If Sinora refuses to dissolve the government or give Hizbullah and allies more power, what do you expect will happen?

  22. I did not catch the drift in the 1st paragraph. What are you trying to say?

    The Khaddam/Khaddamist elements (and the Old Guard) could’ve been behind the Hariri assassination with the intention that Assad’s regime would be framed and would be toppled and give way for a Sunni regime. Or it could’ve been someone else, but it makes no sense that the assassins would not take into consideration the end result and developments that would follow the act itself. In fact, assassinations are done with a purpose, it’s not like Hariri was killed by some wild maniacs who had no objectives/motives…

    Well Israel might not be looking forward to the Baker report, but nor is Saudi Arabia, despite its possible involvement in helping stabilize Iraq, it would much rather see a Sunni regime in Syria, and an isolated Iran with its arm (i.e. HezbAllah) cut off in Lebanon, which is why KSA supported 100% the July war…

    2 are needed AFTER Saba’a took back his resignation…

    The government will eventually fall. The protests will be continuous.

  23. The first paragraph was a long way of saying it would seem to me from out here that of the three (Syria, US hardliner/Israel, March 14) it would seem the first two had more to gain from a Gemayel assassination.

    I don’t know enough to have an opinion about how strong the House of Saud might want to marginallize Syria by trying to frame them. I would not doubt that if they thought it would help them they would have no qualms about something like that.

    And when the government falls – then what? Elections? Coup? Syrian invasion to “maintain peace?”

  24. How so? I don’t get it. March 14 was logically the primary winner from this, as were KSA and USA… well it wasn’t successful as they thought it would be, which is why they have moved to plan #2, now they are trying to isolate Aoun, Pierre Gemayel’s father Amine Gemayel is refusing Aoun’s visit for offering condolences… Also note that before the funeral, at Gemayel’s home, the American ambassador Jeffrey Feltman, war criminal Samir Gea’gea (who is another suspect in my opinion) and Amine Gemayel had a mini-meeting in private.

    No, Syrian invasion is ruled out. As is a “coup”. Elections are the next logical step.

  25. By the way, if it was about a plot to overthrow the “democratically elected government” as Bush refers to it, it would’ve taken place a long time ago, no need for assassinations.

  26. I wouldn’t spend too much time listening to Bolton or Bush, you can hear it all in the “cliches to use when your policies fail” CD.

    But if Sinora et al don’t step down in the face of protests, then what?

    Can Hizbullah and Aoun force them out by some other means than a coup?

    Again, I only know what I read and hear from my friends, but it seems like demonstrations big enough to force the gov’t to fold would cause serious internacine violence first, esp. on the heels of Gemayel’s murder – for which many blame Hizbullah (rightly or wrongly.) So then your back to some sort of “civil war” – and how do you hold elections?

    Or will Sinora cave in the face of the pressure?

  27. according the this article

    http://kurtnimmo.com/?p=665

    It should be obvious Israel’s Mossad engineered the assassination of Pierre Gemayel in Lebanon as a response to the Baker Boys and the emerging recommendations of the Iraq Study Group. It was, in effect, a stone thrown to kill two birds—one, to sully Syria and thus make any accommodation proposed by Baker and Hamilton untenable and second to ratchet up ethnic and religious animosity in Lebanon, a process well underway in the wake of Pierre Gemayel’s timely murder.

  28. Arab sources have added that in his recent trip to Washington, Lebanese Druze leader Walid Jumblatt was given a similar offer of “covert military aid’ to take on Hezbollah inside that war-ruined nation, which still hasn’t recovered from its 15-year civil war (1975-90). Such covert operations, aimed at provoking the neo-cons’ beloved perpetual warfare throughout the Eastern Mediterranean region, do not depend on Pentagon muscle, so the departure of Donald Rumsfeld from the scene, and his replacement by former CIA Director Robert Gates, a Brent Scowcroft and James Baker III ally (and presumable a Dick Cheney enemy), does not necessarily interfere with the game.

    more at:

    http://www.zmag.org/content/print_article.cfm?itemID=11446&sectionID=72

  29. Pingback: Global Voices Online » Blog Archive » Lebanon: Minister Pierre Gemayel Assassinated

  30. when they say it’s ove. Merrill Amram.

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